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 oqix
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Hello Community and Zextras Team,

I am experiencing a severe, system-wide issue with configuration persistence in the Admin Panel for the latest version of Carbonio CE.

**The core problem is not just one field, but global configuration persistence within the MTA section:**

* **Failure Scope:** Changes made in the entire **Mail Transfer Agent (MTA)** configuration area (including **Inbound Flow & Security**, **Outbound Flow**, **Antivirus & Antispam**, and **Advanced**) **DO NOT PERSIST** after a system restart (`carbonio-mta.target`).
* **Reversion:** All settings revert to their default values upon service restart.

**Observed Symptom:**
When attempting to save settings in the **Postscreen Tuning** sub-section, the interface returns a JavaScript error:
`can't access property "replace", b.zimbraMtaPostscreenDnsblMinTTL is undefined`

Can you please advise on a fix?

 

Thank you.

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**System Info:**
* Platform: Carbonio Community Edition 25.9
* OS: Ubuntu 24.04 LTS


   
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(@sharif)
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@oqix

Thanks for the detailed feedback. I will test and get back to you!


   
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 oqix
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Hello,

It seems I may have found the reason why I can't edit the MTA settings in the admin panel.

A normal check of all Carbonio processes didn't find it, but when I checked amavis directly,

I found that it is running like a zombie.

 

● carbonio-mailthreat.service - Carbonio Mail Threat Daemon
     Loaded: loaded (/usr/lib/systemd/system/carbonio-mailthreat.service; disabled; preset: enabled)
     Active: active (running) since Sun 2025-10-19 20:52:46 CEST; 10min ago
    Process: 1381154 ExecStartPre=bash -c echo REWRITE amavis | netcat -w ${configd_rewrite_timeout} localhost ${configd_listen_port};    echo REWRITE antispam | netcat -w ${configd_rewrite_timeout} localhost ${configd_listen_port};    /opt/zextras/common/sbin/amavis-mc (code=exit>
   Main PID: 1381189 (/opt/zextras/co)
      Tasks: 12 (limit: 28741)
     Memory: 196.6M (peak: 204.1M)
        CPU: 14.435s
     CGroup: /system.slice/carbonio-mailthreat.service
             ├─1381188 /usr/bin/perl -T /opt/zextras/common/sbin/amavis-mc
             ├─1381189 "/opt/zextras/common/sbin/amavisd (master)"
             ├─1382322 "/opt/zextras/common/sbin/amavisd (virgin child)"
             ├─1382323 "/opt/zextras/common/sbin/amavisd (virgin child)"
             ├─1382325 "/opt/zextras/common/sbin/amavisd (virgin child)"
             ├─1382326 "/opt/zextras/common/sbin/amavisd (virgin child)"
             ├─1382327 "/opt/zextras/common/sbin/amavisd (virgin child)"
             ├─1382328 "/opt/zextras/common/sbin/amavisd (virgin child)"
             ├─1382329 "/opt/zextras/common/sbin/amavisd (virgin child)"
             ├─1382330 "/opt/zextras/common/sbin/amavisd (virgin child)"
             ├─1382331 "/opt/zextras/common/sbin/amavisd (virgin child)"
             └─1382332 "/opt/zextras/common/sbin/amavisd (virgin child)"

Oct 19 20:53:03 name amavis[1381189]: extra modules loaded after daemonizing/chrooting: /etc/perl/Net/libnet.cfg, Mail/DKIM/ARC/MessageSignature.pm, Mail/DKIM/ARC/Seal.pm, Mail/DKIM/ARC/Verifier.pm, Mail/SpamAssassin/Logger/Amavislog.pm, Mail/SpamAssassin/Plugin/DMARC.pm>
Oct 19 20:53:06 name amavis-mc[1381188]: Process [1382437] started: /opt/zextras/common/sbin/amavis-services msg-forwarder
Oct 19 20:53:06 name amavis-mc[1381188]: Process [1382438] started: /opt/zextras/common/sbin/amavis-services childproc-minder
Oct 19 20:53:06 name amavis-mc[1381188]: Process [1382439] started: /opt/zextras/common/sbin/amavis-services snmp-responder
Oct 19 20:53:06 name amavis-mc[1381188]: Process [1382437] exited (/opt/zextras/common/sbin/amavis-services msg-forwarder) after 0.0 s: exit 2
Oct 19 20:53:06 name amavis-mc[1381188]: Exceeded restart count, giving up on (/opt/zextras/common/sbin/amavis-services msg-forwarder)
Oct 19 20:53:06 name amavis-mc[1381188]: Process [1382438] exited (/opt/zextras/common/sbin/amavis-services childproc-minder) after 0.0 s: exit 2
Oct 19 20:53:06 name amavis-mc[1381188]: Exceeded restart count, giving up on (/opt/zextras/common/sbin/amavis-services childproc-minder)
Oct 19 20:53:06 name amavis-mc[1381188]: Process [1382439] exited (/opt/zextras/common/sbin/amavis-services snmp-responder) after 0.0 s: exit 2
Oct 19 20:53:06 name amavis-mc[1381188]: Exceeded restart count, giving up on (/opt/zextras/common/sbin/amavis-services snmp-responder)

 

 

I tried restarting it, as well as all other services,

but I haven't found a solution yet.

Maybe an installation error?

 

Thank You

This post was modified 3 weeks ago by oqix

   
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 oqix
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Hello,

Does carbonio-mailthreat.service sill uses libaio1?

 

Thanks


   
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 oqix
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Hello everyone,

Thank you all for the excellent work on Carbonio CE!

I've been working on a fresh install (25.9 on Ubuntu 24.04)

and wanted to share some updates and ask for advice on a recurring issue.

After extensive troubleshooting, it seems the problem with saving MTA/Global

Configuration data is due to a **missing LDAP schema definition**.

As you know, I'm unable to save any settings in the Admin Panel.

### Core Issue: Missing Global Configuration Schema

The LDAP Directory Server is failing to recognize core Global Config Attributes (GCF).

This means the Web UI (which sends write requests to LDAP) cannot save any changes.

**The critical diagnostic evidence from the CLI:**

When trying to write a standard GCF attribute, the server rejects the command:

```bash
# Attempt to write a GCF attribute (Example: setting maintenance hour to 2)
su - zextras -c "carbonio prov mcf zimbraMaintenanceHour 2"

# The consistent error received:
ERROR: account.INVALID_ATTR_NAME (invalid attr name: invalid attr name - unable to modify attributes: ldap host=mail.server.tld:389: zimbraMaintenanceHour: attribute type undefined)

Steps Taken (What I've Tried)

This error confirms the LDAP schema is incomplete. I've systematically tried all known repair procedures:

  • LDAP/Auth Check: Changing the admin password via carbonio prov sp admin@... works (LDAP authentication is fine).

  • System Repair: Executed pending-setups -a (ran successfully as root).

  • Permissions Check: Executed /opt/zextras/libexec/zmfixperms.

  • Cache Clear: Restarted critical services (openldap, configd, appserver) and performed multiple full system reboots.

  • Server Reload: Tried various forms of server configuration reload (carbonio prov rs/ms/mc and reloadServer).

My question to the community:

This strongly suggests that the necessary LDIF file defining the GCF attributes was not properly applied by the install_carbonio_ce_singleserver_ubuntu.sh script on my server. Has anyone encountered this specific issue in Carbonio 25.9 && Ubuntu 24.04?

What is the current recommended command/procedure to manually force the core LDAP schema to be reloaded/re-applied in this new architecture, as the old tools (zmlapclearperm, zmfixperms -e) seem to be deprecated?

Thank you very much for your time and expertise!

 

 

 

 


   
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@oqix 

Hi,

I tested this and informed the devs.

Let's wait for their response on the fix.

 


   
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 oqix
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Hello,

This information from mailbox.log may help:

 

2025-10-28 15:09:09,950 INFO  [qtp305242558-6199] [name=account@domain.tld;mid=3;ip=192.168.0.150;oip=10.255.254.3;port=60598;ua=CarbonioWebClient - Firefox 144.0 (Windows)/25.9.0_ZEXTRAS_202509 carbonio 20250902-1300 FOSS;soapId=7f1fef3e;] soap - GetAccountRequest elapsed=4
2025-10-28 15:09:09,986 INFO  [qtp305242558-6286] [name=account@domain.tld;mid=3;ip=192.168.0.150;oip=10.255.254.3;port=60634;ua=CarbonioWebClient - Firefox 144.0 (Windows)/25.9.0_ZEXTRAS_202509 carbonio 20250902-1300 FOSS;soapId=7f1fef40;] soap - GetAllServersRequest elapsed=2
2025-10-28 15:09:09,986 INFO  [qtp305242558-6224] [name=account@domain.tld;mid=3;ip=192.168.0.150;oip=10.255.254.3;port=60646;ua=CarbonioWebClient - Firefox 144.0 (Windows)/25.9.0_ZEXTRAS_202509 carbonio 20250902-1300 FOSS;soapId=7f1fef41;] soap - GetAllServersRequest elapsed=1
2025-10-28 15:09:09,992 WARN  [qtp305242558-6199] [name=account@domain.tld;mid=3;ip=192.168.0.150;oip=10.255.254.3;port=60650;ua=CarbonioWebClient - Firefox 144.0 (Windows)/25.9.0_ZEXTRAS_202509 carbonio 20250902-1300 FOSS;soapId=7f1fef42;] SoapEngine - cannot dispatch request
com.zimbra.common.service.ServiceException: unknown document: zextras
        at com.zimbra.common.service.ServiceException.UNKNOWN_DOCUMENT(ServiceException.java:317) ~[zm-common-25.9.0.jar:?]
        at com.zimbra.soap.SoapEngine.dispatchRequest(SoapEngine.java:597) ~[mailbox.jar:?]
        at com.zimbra.soap.SoapEngine.dispatch(SoapEngine.java:508) ~[mailbox.jar:?]
        at com.zimbra.soap.SoapEngine.dispatch(SoapEngine.java:278) ~[mailbox.jar:?]
        at com.zimbra.soap.SoapServlet.doWork(SoapServlet.java:336) ~[mailbox.jar:?]
        at com.zimbra.soap.SoapServlet.doPost(SoapServlet.java:237) ~[mailbox.jar:?]
        at javax.servlet.http.HttpServlet.service(HttpServlet.java:707) ~[javax.servlet-api-3.1.0.jar:3.1.0]
        at com.zimbra.cs.servlet.ZimbraServlet.service(ZimbraServlet.java:212) ~[mailbox.jar:?]
        at javax.servlet.http.HttpServlet.service(HttpServlet.java:790) ~[javax.servlet-api-3.1.0.jar:3.1.0]
        at org.eclipse.jetty.servlet.ServletHolder.handle(ServletHolder.java:799) ~[jetty-servlet-9.4.56.v20240826.jar:9.4.56.v20240826]
        at org.eclipse.jetty.servlet.ServletHandler$ChainEnd.doFilter(ServletHandler.java:1656) ~[jetty-servlet-9.4.56.v20240826.jar:9.4.56.v20240826]
        at com.zimbra.cs.servlet.CsrfFilter.doFilter(CsrfFilter.java:152) ~[mailbox.jar:?]
        at org.eclipse.jetty.servlet.FilterHolder.doFilter(FilterHolder.java:193) ~[jetty-servlet-9.4.56.v20240826.jar:9.4.56.v20240826]
        at org.eclipse.jetty.servlet.ServletHandler$Chain.doFilter(ServletHandler.java:1626) ~[jetty-servlet-9.4.56.v20240826.jar:9.4.56.v20240826]
        at com.zimbra.cs.servlet.RequestStringFilter.doFilter(RequestStringFilter.java:43) ~[mailbox.jar:?]
        at org.eclipse.jetty.servlet.FilterHolder.doFilter(FilterHolder.java:193) ~[jetty-servlet-9.4.56.v20240826.jar:9.4.56.v20240826]
        at org.eclipse.jetty.servlet.ServletHandler$Chain.doFilter(ServletHandler.java:1626) ~[jetty-servlet-9.4.56.v20240826.jar:9.4.56.v20240826]
        at com.zimbra.cs.servlet.SetHeaderFilter.doFilter(SetHeaderFilter.java:48) ~[mailbox.jar:?]
        at org.eclipse.jetty.servlet.FilterHolder.doFilter(FilterHolder.java:193) ~[jetty-servlet-9.4.56.v20240826.jar:9.4.56.v20240826]
        at org.eclipse.jetty.servlet.ServletHandler$Chain.doFilter(ServletHandler.java:1626) ~[jetty-servlet-9.4.56.v20240826.jar:9.4.56.v20240826]
        at com.zimbra.cs.servlet.ETagHeaderFilter.doFilter(ETagHeaderFilter.java:36) ~[mailbox.jar:?]
        at org.eclipse.jetty.servlet.FilterHolder.doFilter(FilterHolder.java:193) ~[jetty-servlet-9.4.56.v20240826.jar:9.4.56.v20240826]
        at org.eclipse.jetty.servlet.ServletHandler$Chain.doFilter(ServletHandler.java:1626) ~[jetty-servlet-9.4.56.v20240826.jar:9.4.56.v20240826]
        at com.zimbra.cs.servlet.ContextPathBasedThreadPoolBalancerFilter.doFilter(ContextPathBasedThreadPoolBalancerFilter.java:96) ~[mailbox.jar:?]
        at org.eclipse.jetty.servlet.FilterHolder.doFilter(FilterHolder.java:193) ~[jetty-servlet-9.4.56.v20240826.jar:9.4.56.v20240826]
        at org.eclipse.jetty.servlet.ServletHandler$Chain.doFilter(ServletHandler.java:1626) ~[jetty-servlet-9.4.56.v20240826.jar:9.4.56.v20240826]
        at com.zimbra.cs.servlet.ZimbraQoSFilter.doFilter(ZimbraQoSFilter.java:113) ~[mailbox.jar:?]
        at org.eclipse.jetty.servlet.FilterHolder.doFilter(FilterHolder.java:193) ~[jetty-servlet-9.4.56.v20240826.jar:9.4.56.v20240826]
        at org.eclipse.jetty.servlet.ServletHandler$Chain.doFilter(ServletHandler.java:1626) ~[jetty-servlet-9.4.56.v20240826.jar:9.4.56.v20240826]
        at com.zimbra.cs.servlet.ZimbraInvalidLoginFilter.doFilter(ZimbraInvalidLoginFilter.java:118) ~[mailbox.jar:?]
        at org.eclipse.jetty.servlet.FilterHolder.doFilter(FilterHolder.java:193) ~[jetty-servlet-9.4.56.v20240826.jar:9.4.56.v20240826]
        at org.eclipse.jetty.servlet.ServletHandler$Chain.doFilter(ServletHandler.java:1626) ~[jetty-servlet-9.4.56.v20240826.jar:9.4.56.v20240826]
        at org.eclipse.jetty.servlets.DoSFilter.doFilterChain(DoSFilter.java:465) ~[jetty-servlets-9.4.56.v20240826.jar:9.4.56.v20240826]
        at org.eclipse.jetty.servlets.DoSFilter.doFilter(DoSFilter.java:320) ~[jetty-servlets-9.4.56.v20240826.jar:9.4.56.v20240826]
        at org.eclipse.jetty.servlets.DoSFilter.doFilter(DoSFilter.java:285) ~[jetty-servlets-9.4.56.v20240826.jar:9.4.56.v20240826]
        at org.eclipse.jetty.servlet.FilterHolder.doFilter(FilterHolder.java:193) ~[jetty-servlet-9.4.56.v20240826.jar:9.4.56.v20240826]
        at org.eclipse.jetty.servlet.ServletHandler$Chain.doFilter(ServletHandler.java:1626) ~[jetty-servlet-9.4.56.v20240826.jar:9.4.56.v20240826]
        at com.google.inject.servlet.FilterChainInvocation.doFilter(FilterChainInvocation.java:89) ~[guice-servlet-5.0.1.jar:?]
        at com.google.inject.servlet.ManagedFilterPipeline.dispatch(ManagedFilterPipeline.java:121) ~[guice-servlet-5.0.1.jar:?]
        at com.google.inject.servlet.GuiceFilter.doFilter(GuiceFilter.java:133) ~[guice-servlet-5.0.1.jar:?]
        at org.eclipse.jetty.servlet.FilterHolder.doFilter(FilterHolder.java:193) ~[jetty-servlet-9.4.56.v20240826.jar:9.4.56.v20240826]
        at org.eclipse.jetty.servlet.ServletHandler$Chain.doFilter(ServletHandler.java:1626) ~[jetty-servlet-9.4.56.v20240826.jar:9.4.56.v20240826]
        at org.eclipse.jetty.servlet.ServletHandler.doHandle(ServletHandler.java:552) ~[jetty-servlet-9.4.56.v20240826.jar:9.4.56.v20240826]
        at org.eclipse.jetty.server.handler.ScopedHandler.nextHandle(ScopedHandler.java:233) ~[jetty-server-9.4.56.v20240826.jar:9.4.56.v20240826]
        at org.eclipse.jetty.server.handler.ContextHandler.doHandle(ContextHandler.java:1440) ~[jetty-server-9.4.56.v20240826.jar:9.4.56.v20240826]
        at org.eclipse.jetty.server.handler.ScopedHandler.nextScope(ScopedHandler.java:188) ~[jetty-server-9.4.56.v20240826.jar:9.4.56.v20240826]
        at org.eclipse.jetty.servlet.ServletHandler.doScope(ServletHandler.java:505) ~[jetty-servlet-9.4.56.v20240826.jar:9.4.56.v20240826]
        at org.eclipse.jetty.server.handler.ScopedHandler.nextScope(ScopedHandler.java:186) ~[jetty-server-9.4.56.v20240826.jar:9.4.56.v20240826]
        at org.eclipse.jetty.server.handler.ContextHandler.doScope(ContextHandler.java:1355) ~[jetty-server-9.4.56.v20240826.jar:9.4.56.v20240826]
        at org.eclipse.jetty.server.handler.ContextHandler.doScope(ContextHandler.java:1355) ~[jetty-server-9.4.56.v20240826.jar:9.4.56.v20240826]
        at org.eclipse.jetty.server.handler.ScopedHandler.handle(ScopedHandler.java:141) ~[jetty-server-9.4.56.v20240826.jar:9.4.56.v20240826]
        at org.eclipse.jetty.server.handler.HandlerCollection.handle(HandlerCollection.java:146) ~[jetty-server-9.4.56.v20240826.jar:9.4.56.v20240826]
        at org.eclipse.jetty.server.handler.HandlerWrapper.handle(HandlerWrapper.java:127) ~[jetty-server-9.4.56.v20240826.jar:9.4.56.v20240826]
        at org.eclipse.jetty.rewrite.handler.RewriteHandler.handle(RewriteHandler.java:322) ~[jetty-rewrite-9.4.56.v20240826.jar:9.4.56.v20240826]
        at org.eclipse.jetty.server.handler.gzip.GzipHandler.handle(GzipHandler.java:772) ~[jetty-server-9.4.56.v20240826.jar:9.4.56.v20240826]
        at org.eclipse.jetty.server.handler.HandlerWrapper.handle(HandlerWrapper.java:127) ~[jetty-server-9.4.56.v20240826.jar:9.4.56.v20240826]
        at org.eclipse.jetty.server.Server.handle(Server.java:516) ~[jetty-server-9.4.56.v20240826.jar:9.4.56.v20240826]
        at org.eclipse.jetty.server.HttpChannel.lambda$handle$1(HttpChannel.java:487) ~[jetty-server-9.4.56.v20240826.jar:9.4.56.v20240826]
        at org.eclipse.jetty.server.HttpChannel.dispatch(HttpChannel.java:732) [jetty-server-9.4.56.v20240826.jar:9.4.56.v20240826]
        at org.eclipse.jetty.server.HttpChannel.handle(HttpChannel.java:479) [jetty-server-9.4.56.v20240826.jar:9.4.56.v20240826]
        at org.eclipse.jetty.server.HttpConnection.onFillable(HttpConnection.java:277) [jetty-server-9.4.56.v20240826.jar:9.4.56.v20240826]
        at org.eclipse.jetty.io.AbstractConnection$ReadCallback.succeeded(AbstractConnection.java:311) [jetty-io-9.4.56.v20240826.jar:9.4.56.v20240826]
        at org.eclipse.jetty.io.FillInterest.fillable(FillInterest.java:105) [jetty-io-9.4.56.v20240826.jar:9.4.56.v20240826]
        at org.eclipse.jetty.io.ssl.SslConnection$DecryptedEndPoint.onFillable(SslConnection.java:555) [jetty-io-9.4.56.v20240826.jar:9.4.56.v20240826]
        at org.eclipse.jetty.io.ssl.SslConnection.onFillable(SslConnection.java:410) [jetty-io-9.4.56.v20240826.jar:9.4.56.v20240826]
        at org.eclipse.jetty.io.ssl.SslConnection$2.succeeded(SslConnection.java:164) [jetty-io-9.4.56.v20240826.jar:9.4.56.v20240826]
        at org.eclipse.jetty.io.FillInterest.fillable(FillInterest.java:105) [jetty-io-9.4.56.v20240826.jar:9.4.56.v20240826]
        at org.eclipse.jetty.io.ChannelEndPoint$1.run(ChannelEndPoint.java:104) [jetty-io-9.4.56.v20240826.jar:9.4.56.v20240826]
        at org.eclipse.jetty.util.thread.strategy.EatWhatYouKill.runTask(EatWhatYouKill.java:338) [jetty-util-9.4.56.v20240826.jar:9.4.56.v20240826]
        at org.eclipse.jetty.util.thread.strategy.EatWhatYouKill.doProduce(EatWhatYouKill.java:315) [jetty-util-9.4.56.v20240826.jar:9.4.56.v20240826]
        at org.eclipse.jetty.util.thread.strategy.EatWhatYouKill.tryProduce(EatWhatYouKill.java:173) [jetty-util-9.4.56.v20240826.jar:9.4.56.v20240826]
        at org.eclipse.jetty.util.thread.strategy.EatWhatYouKill.run(EatWhatYouKill.java:131) [jetty-util-9.4.56.v20240826.jar:9.4.56.v20240826]
        at org.eclipse.jetty.util.thread.ReservedThreadExecutor$ReservedThread.run(ReservedThreadExecutor.java:409) [jetty-util-9.4.56.v20240826.jar:9.4.56.v20240826]
        at org.eclipse.jetty.util.thread.QueuedThreadPool.runJob(QueuedThreadPool.java:883) [jetty-util-9.4.56.v20240826.jar:9.4.56.v20240826]
        at org.eclipse.jetty.util.thread.QueuedThreadPool$Runner.run(QueuedThreadPool.java:1034) [jetty-util-9.4.56.v20240826.jar:9.4.56.v20240826]
        at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:840) [?:?]

 

Best regards


   
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 CarC
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Hi!

Today I did a clean install via script on Ubuntu 24.04, and the same problems...

Any ideas for a solution?

Regards;


   
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(@paciher)
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Same problem... Ubuntu 24.04 and Carbonio CE 25.9 😔 
Help please....


   
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 CarC
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@sharif 

HI,Do you have any updates on this? ?

Or how to install an older version (as I mention in the post https://community.zextras.com/forum/carbonio-general-thread/choose-the-version-of-carbonio-you-want-to-install/#post-11478).

I have at least 3 installations on hold (pending) because there are many serious problems in the current version.
I appreciate the excellent service from Zextras via Carbonio, please don't take this as a charge.

Regards;


   
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 CarC
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Hi!

Update  ?

This is quite complicated, because version 25.9 is "unusable"....

 

😐


   
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(@itguy)
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@Sharif

Zextras where is your answer! More than week has passed on this post.


   
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(@sharif)
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@itguy 

I will try to get response from the devs on this issue. 

Meanwhile, I would request you to bear with me.


   
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