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(@phoenix)
Joined: 10 years ago
Posts: 103
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Not sure if this is the correct forum but here goes.... 🙂

Now that ZCS 10 has gone GA is there a provisional timeline for a version of Zextras for that ZCS version? Obviously, I'm assuming that it will need a new version of Zextras, correct?

How about the new ZCS 10 version, will you be releasing a version of that?

 

Regards

 

Bill


   
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(@luca)
Joined: 3 years ago
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Hi phoenix,

this is Luca, Zextras Product Owner. 

Thanks for your question.

As you know, we decided to put our effort to make publicly available the Zimbra 9 FOSS when it was announced that it would stop having an official FOSS release.

We knew we had to guarantee not only the availability of the build but also keep it updated and aligned with the codebase and provide a set of QA tests before releasing the packages to the community.

Unfortunately, this time we are not able to guarantee the same results, even putting same effort.

Looking at the project, version 10 confirms some changes introduced with version 9. Eg, the focus on the UI moved to the Modern interface, which is not open source.

Some changes in the mailbox seem to modify the architecture of features we used in order to extend it with our Suite, without making them available in the open-source code base.

In other words, we are still evaluating the impact of the changes to our Zextras Suite, and we cannot guarantee the stability or compatibility of an open-source build of Zimbra 10.

Until Zimbra 10 will not be officially supported, it will make no sense to think about supporting it.

To summarize: no, unfortunately, we are not going to release either a Zextras build of Zimbra 10 or support Zimbra 10 with Zextras Suite.

All the best

Luca


   
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(@phoenix)
Joined: 10 years ago
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Hi Luca

Thanks for the your detailed reply. It's a great shame that Zimbra has taken this path to make it difficult for anyone to use/improve/modify the product - in my opinion that's not a benefit to a supposedly open source product. I'll await further updates when you had a good look at the code. I guess I'll be using ZCS 9 for a good while longer. 🙂

Regards

 

Bill


   
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(@jansko)
Joined: 2 years ago
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It is questionable whether Zimbra is completely ending the FOSS edition. The official FOSS version 8.8.15 ends at the end of 2023. What happens after that? Today, Zimbra boasts that it will abandon open source, if it ends the FOSS edition, it will only be closed source.
Does anyone know the next steps?

 
 

 

 


   
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(@paolo)
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Joined: 13 years ago
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@jansko Only Synacor knows their next steps about the topic.

What I can assure to you is that Zextras will maintain it's commitment towards OpenSource and Carbonio will always be available in a complete and usable open source version. 

Bests


   
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(@jansko)
Joined: 2 years ago
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@paolo Good news and the right attitude!
However, the combination of Zimbra FOSS + Suite brought Zimbra features that Carbonio CE does not have. Which is a shame.


   
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(@mlorenzopr)
Joined: 1 year ago
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Hi,

You can build you own zimbra 9 and 10 using this docker images from the following repo:  https://hub.docker.com/repositories/ovox

Best Regards!


   
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(@donty)
Joined: 3 years ago
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Thank goodness there is Carbonio then - thanks Zextras!

I think I would like a route to move to Carbonio from OSS Zimbra 9.  I would rather have some change in features and be on an active developed FOSS platform than adrfit in this mad Zimbra clutz of present with so many compromises and potential hacks.

I know we could look at shifting via a manual account migration route to Carbonio but is there anything better? This is Zextras after all 😉

 


   
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dominix
(@dominix)
Joined: 12 years ago
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it would be interesting to have some news about the zetalliance   https://zetalliance.org/   there is no blog since mid 2022.

this alliance is supposed to be the angular stone of the zimbra API, on which zextras suite is build. If this goes wreck there will be no more zextras stuff for zimbra. 

My point of view is that commercial cooperation has ended and each entity will make his own product. on its side. If one day there is again a zimbra open source it sure will not be compatible with current zextras suite. If you want pro services, buy pro version of either zimbra or carbonio. If you want opensource either go with carbonio CE without HSM or mobility, or wait for zimbra 1O OSS (very unlikely, but who knows) or turn to another product like Kopano.com .


   
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(@ccelis5215)
Joined: 12 years ago
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Hi all,

 

Sadly nothing to do with Zimbra FOSS... luckily Zextras came to help.

 

ccelis


   
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(@csylvain)
Joined: 4 years ago
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After several weeks of work, I am announcing the release of ZCSPlus.com which is somewhere between a FOSS version and a Network version based on the official GitHub.
The modern Template is included in the form of Reverse engineering (JS to TS), which remains legal with of course the conservation of the original authors in the description of the Template.
For Zextras Suite, I confirm that it is indeed Synacor which blacklisted the majority of Zextras Zimlet in Zimbra 10, this whole part is patched, and I have the great pleasure to announce that it works perfectly.

We hope that Zextras will continue to maintain Zal and of course Zextras Suite, we are equally open to a partnership, I remain at your disposal for any questions.

I am currently working on the official website, the automatic patch and deposit part are complete !


   
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(@phoenix)
Joined: 10 years ago
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Hi CSylvain

That looks like an interesting build of Zimbra you have there, thanks for the work you've done on that and is there any chance of a build for RHEL8 (it's what I'm used to)?

Regards

 

Bill


   
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(@csylvain)
Joined: 4 years ago
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@phoenix THANKS !
I don't know yet, because it was a lot of work for a DEB environment with extraction and reconstruction of packages.
Unlike you, I have been familiar with the Debian environment for many years, it remains to be seen how that goes for RPM packages.
There are so many forks on the RHEL side that I wouldn't know where to start to do my first tests.
Do Red Hat Enterprise Linux 8, Oracle Linux 8, and Rocky Linux 8 point to a single repository ?

I also had private discussions with Zextras, and there is little chance of seeing future updates to Zextras Suite.
I also encouraged him to move to Onlyoffice and the provision of a Webdav server.
For my part, I have finished updating to Onlyoffice 8, the automation of the creation of the package took time, but will remain a time saver for future versions, it is almost finished, it will be made available at the end of this week.

At this point, the only conclusion I made is to develop some kind of Wrapper to make Zimbra Zimlets compatible with Carbonio (CE).
I don't think the cost of a Carbonio license is higher than that of Zextras Suite.


   
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(@phoenix)
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@csylvain

 

Thanks for the reply

I'm only a home user although I started using Zimbra from the day it was released and mostly for work, I'd also started using Centos from the day that was released and zimbra fitted nicely on centos - my background was IBM Mainframe software and my conversion to linux (and avoiding Microsoft Software) was started by centos & ZCS and I'd always go for RHEL O/S and it's variants and I'm currently using Oracle for my VMs although with the current Broadcom takeover I'll have to move to another platform.

Yes, I know about the not being any further updates to Zextras I guess it might be a conversion to Carbonio sometime in the future, at least there's a RHEL version of that. 🙂

Would it be useful to approach some of the Zimbra forum members that have RHEL builds of ZCS to see if they could give you some help?


   
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(@csylvain)
Joined: 4 years ago
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This may be poorly received, because the modern Template has been patched to no longer have this license check block, this is the one and only license bypass patch.
Many maintain compilations of FOSS versions, while they have more under Carbonio CE.
It will therefore be very difficult to disseminate this work on the Zimbra forum, I hope that Zextras will announce a Roadmap which will allow us to know which path to take.

To come back to the RPM part, if I understood correctly, you use Redhat, stupid question, do you pay for a license ?
It would be nice to have a survey of those who use RPM, to find out which distribution they have chosen.


   
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